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Season 4, Episode 7: How Coroners Use DNA to Make Bones Talk

It’s hard enough for me to imagine having a missing loved one. Can you? Then picture finding out that a serial killer has been operating where and when your loved one went missing. That’s the scenario we have for this week’s case. Authorities may never know exactly how many victims this killer had, but a new coroner investigating the case is determined to identify as many of the known remains as he can.
Our book this week is “The Double Life of a Serial Murderer” and our guest is Hamilton County, Indiana Coroner Jeff Jellison. He is a former law enforcement officer and is a certified Medical-Legal Death Investigator. Jeff has a very big job trying to determine who the bones found on Herb Baumeister’s Indiana estate belong to. And as you’ll hear, there were thousands of bones and bone fragments discovered on Fox Hollow Farm. Let’s investigate what in the world happened in central Indiana.
Then we’ll dive into Matthew 7:1-5:
“Do not judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves. For just as you judge and criticize and condemn others, you will be judged and criticized and condemned, and in accordance with the measure you [use to] deal out to others, it will be dealt out again to you. Why do you stare from without at the very small particle that is in your brother’s eye but do not become aware of and consider the beam of timber that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me get the tiny particle out of your eye’, when there is the beam of timber in your own eye? You hypocrite, first get the beam of timber out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the tiny particle out of your brother’s eye.”
This isn’t a long passage, but there is so much practical wisdom here so be sure you catch this episode, then check out some earlier ones. I’ve had so many amazing guests who gave me fantastic information you won’t want to miss. You can also help someone else begin their journey as a different kind of PI - a person of impact, when you share the episode, and when you subscribe, give me a five-star rating and a nice review. Don’t forget to check out these resources, and give Jeff Jellison a call if you have information on the Fox Hollow Farms case, or if you need help to locate a missing loved one.
Call Jeff Jellison, Hamilton County Coroner, at 317-770-4415.
Learn more about the work to identify remains at Fox Hollow Farm
Listen to Season 1, Episode 32: The Skeleton Crew
Think all coroners are as qualified as Jeff Jellison? Think again.
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Season 4, Episode 6: Murdered and Missing on Long Island

We’ve all heard about the Long Island Serial Killer, but there are so many more true crime stories there. Did you know that Long Island is the home of roughly 40% of the entire population of New York State? With that many people living there, it’s no wonder that it has a lot more unsolved murders and missing persons cases than we know.
We’re going to talk about one unsolved murder and one missing persons case from Long Island today and hopefully someone who hears this has some information and will come forward to share it with authorities.
The more we talk about unsolved cases like the two we’ve investigated today, the more it gets kind of frustrating to realize just how many people have gotten away with evil acts like murder. It makes you want to question God. In His wisdom, God addressed this in his Word:
Job 21:7-16
Why do the wicked live on, growing old and increasing in power?
They see their children established around them, their offspring before their eyes.
Their homes are safe and free from fear; the rod of God is not on them.
Their bulls never fail to breed; their cows calve and do not miscarry.
They send forth their children as a flock; their little ones dance about.
They sing to the music of timbrel and lyre; they make merry to the sound of the pipe.
They spend their years in prosperity and go down to the grave in peace.
Yet they say to God, ‘Leave us alone! We have no desire to know your ways.
Who is the Almighty, that we should serve him? What would we gain by praying to him?’
But their prosperity is not in their own hands, so I stand aloof from the plans of the wicked.
Former police officer Michael Arntfield wants us all to get in touch with our inner crime-fighter. He says that an estimated 95% of all crimes that are solved have some sort of citizen involvement. With over a quarter million unsolved murders in North America, it sure seems like we need to get involved if we want those numbers to get any better. I’ve put a link in the show notes to the Murder Accountability Project. You can use it to see how many unsolved cases are right there in your area, just waiting for someone to help. Maybe that someone is you.
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If you have any information about the deaths of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff, please call the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office at (631) 852-3185
If you have any information on the circumstances regarding Norine’s disappearance, please call the Nassau County Police Department at (516) 573-8800 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800- 244-TIPS.
Read the New York Times article
Learn more about domestic violence
FindNorine Facebook page
Michael Arntfield’s Ted Talk
Check out the Murder Accountability Project
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Season 4, Episode 5: The Boy in the Box: America’s Unknown Child is Unknown No Longer

Digging into a family search is no longer just for families tracing their own ancestry. It’s now a crime fighting tool, used by experts in the fast-growing field of forensic genealogy. I’m really going to be geeking out today because this stuff fascinates me. I’ve done quite a bit of research into my own family tree, and to see these techniques used to help solve crime is nothing short of amazing.
Our book this week is “The Boy in the Box: The Unsolved Case of America’s Unknown Child” by David Stout and our guest is forensic genealogist Daphne Dennis. I’m sure most of you know a lot about the first big case to bring genetic genealogy to our attention, the solving of the Golden State Killer case. Today’s case didn’t catch a killer, but it did give a murdered child back his name after 65 long years.
Let’s talk about identity as it’s related to us in John 1:11-13.
“He came to His own, and His own people did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him,
He gave them the right to be children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born,
not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.”
DNA testing is so great for establishing our earthly identity, but for those of us who have put our faith in Jesus, we have an additional identity. We are children of God. It’s not conditional on what we’ve done, or what others have done to us. All that matters is our faith. That should cause us to look at ourselves differently - and at other people.
If this episode has you ready to be a different kind of P.I. - a Person of Impact, check out the show notes for ways to volunteer with the doe network or even your local law enforcement agency. Didn’t know you could do that? Different agencies will have their own guidelines about what volunteers are allowed to do, but many allow volunteers to check the jurisdiction for abandoned vehicles, do safety checks for vacationing homeowners, help compile crime statistics, assist with search and rescue operations, and maybe even cold case files. Give your local authorities a call and see what you might be able to do!
Check out my episode about the Vidoq Society - Season 1, Episode 50: The Murder Room
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Connect with Daphne
Read more about identifying the Boy in the Box
Check out volunteer opportunities at the Doe Network
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Season 4, Episode 4: Surviving: Doing Whatever You Need to Do

I didn’t know that it takes about four pounds of pressure to pull the trigger on a 9 mm handgun, did you? I read that that’s like the pressure in a firm handshake. That’s not all that much, especially when someone is holding a 9 mm handgun to your head. If you found yourself in that situation, what would you do to survive?
Our book this week is “Four Pounds of Pressure: A Memoir of Rape, Survival, and Taking Back My Power” by Danielle Louise Leukam. Danielle is an author, speaker, and advocate for women who have experienced sexual trauma.
You’re going to love this week’s guest. Candice R. Reyes is a Speaker, Author, and Executive Director of Her Well. As a 2x survivor of sexual assault, Candice inspires other women to overcome their fear of the past and walk with Jesus through recovery. Through storytelling and practical tips, Candice helps women reclaim their hope, regain their voice, and resist their urge to isolate during this journey. She is an award-winning author who coaches survivors daily as they embrace their healing journey.
Don’t we all need to be reminded from time to time about how valuable we are no matter what has happened to us? That’s the message of this week’s passage from the Bible, Isaiah 43:1b-3a:
“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers,
they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned;
the flames will not set you ablaze. For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior…”
Isn’t the picture of redemption from captivity a beautiful part of the history of God’s people? I believe that this is true on a personal level today as well. It doesn’t matter what has happened to you that continues to hold you captive - you can be set free from it. The ultimate power to do this is of course from God, but He uses people all around us to accomplish this healing. People like Danielle’s family and the trained professional who guided her as she navigated all of the different ripple affects her rape had. People like Candice Reyes who is working so hard to provide hope and healing to survivors of sexual trauma in her little corner of the world. And people like you. Look to see where God is working in your area to help victims of sexual assault and then join Him there. That’s an amazing way to be a different kind of P.I. - a Person of Impact.
If you learned a lot from this episode, you’ll want to listen to these:
Season 3, Episode 30: No One Believed Her
Season 2, Episode 17: I Thought He was My Friend - "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town" by Jon Krakauer
Season 1, Episode 17: A Survivor's Journey - From Victim to Advocate
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Check out Danielle’s website here
Read about Candice’s work at Her Well
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Read about the power of 30 Second Hugs

Season 4, Episode 3: Third Time’s the Charm - Too Bad He Was Number Four

Murder by poisoning has been a popular method of getting rid of someone for centuries. As life insurance policies became more commonplace, arsenic was given the nickname “the inheritance powder”. And who else would have easier access to other, more exotic poisons than people in the medical field. Like a nurse.
Our case this week comes from the book An Almost Perfect Murder, by Gary C. King. Let’s investigate why it was only almost perfect.
We’ll also investigate some of what David had to say in Psalm 35:4-6:
May those who seek my life be disgraced and put to shame; may those who plot my ruin be turned back in dismay. May they be like chaff before the wind, with the angel of the Lord driving them away; may their path be dark and slippery, with the angel of the Lord pursuing them.
Here are links to a couple of previous episodes that show just how devious anyone who uses poison as a murder weapon can be.
Season 3, Episode 32: Caring Nurse or Cunning Serial Killer: How One Woman Caused a Wave of Grief in Two Texas Towns
Season 3, Episode 37: Chicago True Crime: The Pain Killer
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Season 4, Episode 2: Beyond Evil: Russell Smrekar and the Logan County Murders

Most people in Lincoln, Illinois, didn’t lock their doors in the 1970’s. They weren’t worried about murderers roaming around. Mike Hartnett and his wife arrived in town to work at Lincoln College, a private junior college. Both were ready to counsel Lincoln’s students and they wondered how much trouble there could possibly be in this peaceful looking small town in 1972. If they’d only known, who knows if they would have gone there at all.
Our book this week is “And I Cried, Too “, by Mike Hartnett. This episode’s guest is our chaplain here at The Unlovely Truth, Lori Prather. She grew up near where these murders took place, and I grew up nearby in the Midwest. We were both pretty sheltered and stories like this were shocking to say the least. But unfortunately, they are reality as well, so I think we need to talk about them to see what takeaways we can glean from them to help ourselves and our communities be safer.
Let’s take a look at a great verse for anyone who thinks the Bible is super hard to understand. Some parts are more difficult than others and require more study to put them in the proper context, but this one is very straight forward. Let’s read it:
“Don’t let anyone fool you. ‘Bad companions make a good person bad.’”
1 Corinthians 15:33
I chose the NIrV translation because it’s made to be easy to read, and easy to understand. And context helps us as well. Paul is writing to the church at Corinth to warn them against false teaching. He knows how easily influenced we can be. In this week’s case, Mike Mansfield went along with someone he thought was his friend and he ended up paying for his misplaced trust with his life.
We’ve all been burned by someone we thought was our friend. We’ve watched it happen to our children too, haven’t we? I'm so grateful that it never went this far for me, and I want to help you keep it from ever going this far in your life or the life of a loved one. To me, one of the biggest steps to accomplish that is a little self-awareness.
In western Christianity, we love to talk about love, and grace, and forgiveness, and happy things like that. Great stuff, of course, but the Bible has a lot to say about evil too. We need to know what God says evil looks and acts like so we can recognize it, in others - and in ourselves.
That’s right. We don’t like to think about that, but we all have the capacity for evil thoughts and deeds. Outside of Scripture, I think the late Russian author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said it best. Yes, I love all kinds of stories, even those from Russian dissidents. But listen to what he has to say about how understanding evil really means understanding human nature. “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
Let’s all find someone this week that we can have a conversation with about this. The first step toward being safer is being aware of what we have to keep ourselves safe from. And sometimes, that doesn’t look like what we might think it should.
Here are some other episodes you will enjoy:
Season 3, Episode 12: Bitter Jealousy: The Murder that Shocked a Small Town Church
Season 2, Episode 30: Blending In: "The Demon Next Door" by Bryan Burrough
Season 2, Episode 19: How do I Forgive? "Murder by Family" by Kent Whitaker
Season 1, Episode 26: In Broad Daylight
Read the Free Kindle Unlimited version of And I Cried, Too
Find Lori Prather on Facebook
Please visit my website to access more episodes, read my blog posts, or check out ways you can financially support the podcast so that together we can impact more people, more families, and more communities. If you would like to contact me about booking me as a speaker, or ask about my consulting and investigative services, please email me at lori@theunlovelytruth.com.

Season 4, Episode 1: Deliver Us From Evil: Purging Guilt from Unsolved Murders

Jim Duckett was a lot of things to a lot of people - father, son, brother, uncle, friend, horse lover, good listener, veteran and more. That’s why it’s so hard to understand how he came to be tied to a chair in his bathroom, bloodied and tortured to death on Nov. 10, 2008, in Shelbyville, KY. Well, it’s hard to understand for most of us. But somebody out there knows exactly what happened. It’s been 14 years. It’s time to come forward.
Let’s tackle another story from the world of true crime and see what spiritual and safety tips we can find. I believe every Christian’s calling is to be a different kind of PI - a person of impact. Stick around because I’ll give you a practical step to do just that.
It’s hard to believe that we are starting our fourth year investigating the intersection of faith and true crime. I’ve heard from so many of you about the impact certain episodes have had in your life. Let’s make 2023 the year we all make an impact in the lives of people who have had their lives impacted by crime.
We’ll be taking a close look at Deuteronomy 21:1-9:
Suppose you find someone who has been killed. The body is lying in a field in the land the Lord your God is giving you as your own. But no one knows who the killer was. Then your elders and judges will go out to the field. They will measure the distance from the body to the nearby towns. The elders from the town that is nearest to the body will get a young cow. It must never have been used for work. It must never have pulled a load. The elders must lead it down into a valley. The valley must not have been farmed. There must be a stream flowing through it. There in the valley the elders must break the cow’s neck. The priests, who are sons of Levi, will step forward. The Lord your God has chosen them to serve him. He wants them to bless the people in his name. He wants them to decide all cases that have to do with people arguing and attacking others. Then all the elders from the town that is nearest to the body will wash their hands. They will wash them over the young cow whose neck they broke in the valley. They’ll say to the Lord, “We didn’t kill that person. We didn’t see it happen. Accept this payment for the sin of your people Israel. Lord, you have set your people free. Don’t hold them guilty for spilling the blood of someone who hasn’t done anything wrong.” That will pay for the death of that person. So you will get rid of the guilt of killing someone who didn’t do anything wrong. That’s because you have done what is right in the Lord’s eyes.
So many cold cases were solved in 2022. While we celebrate the many, many cold cases that were solved in 2022, we have to remember how many more families are awaiting answers to the cold cases in their lives. As believers, we need to remember what it says in Galatians 46:2, “Help carry one another's burdens, and in this way you will obey the law of Christ.”
Season 3, Episode 43: The Disappearance of Brittanee Drexel: A Thirteen Year Journey to Justice
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Anyone with information about Jim Duckett’s murder is asked to contact Kentucky State Police Post 12, at 502-227-2221.
Learn about Kentuckian’s Voice for Crime Victims here.

Season 3, Episode 52: The Wages of Sin is Death: Vigilante ”Justice” in a Small Texas Town

Capital punishment is a hotly debated topic among Christians, and rightly so. Both the old and new testaments talk about it being within the government’s rights. But let me know if you are aware of any verses that condone private citizens executing a man when the government isn’t doing it fast enough for them.
This week we are wrapping up the case of The Santa Claus Bank Robbery, an amazing book by the late journalist and author A.C. Greene. One robber died from injuries he suffered during the robbery, one was sentenced to 99 years in prison, and one was executed. We are picking up the story as Santa himself, Marshall Ratliff, is angling to be found insane and escape his appointment with the electric chair.
Then we will dive into Romans 12:19-21:
Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
I used to misunderstand this verse. That heaping burning coals sounded pretty revenge-like which can seem attractive when you’re mad at somebody. But in other biblical references to burning coals, we see that they represent judgment, which is clearly God’s. They also symbolize spiritual purification. Again, this is something only God can do. So when we feed our hungry enemies and give them something to drink, we are showing that we are different. We don’t try to take revenge ourselves. We leave to God what is only His to do.
The mob wanted to do what they wanted to do. And it was evil.
Don’t worry if you’ve missed the three previous episodes. You can listen to them here:
Season 3, Episode 49: The Art of Storytelling: Bringing Facts to Life
Season 3, Episode 50: All I Want for Christmas is You...Not to be In Jail
Season 3, Episode 51: Repeat Offenders: If Only They Were Still Inmates
Please visit my website to access more episodes, read my blog posts, or check out ways you can financially support the podcast so that together we can impact more people, more families, and more communities. If you would like to contact me about booking me as a speaker, or ask about my consulting and investigative services, please email me at lori@theunlovelytruth.com.
To read the full story, grab a copy of The Santa Claus Bank Robbery for yourself!

Season 3, Episode 51: Repeat Offenders: If Only They Were Still Inmates

Early release programs for convicted felons are controversial, and always have been. It’s a delicate balance to try to alleviate prison overcrowding yet keep the public safe. Marshall Ratliff, Henry Helms, and Robert Hill had all served time in Texas’ Huntsville Prison. If they hadn’t all been given what the public felt were light sentences with early release, would those who died during the Santa Claus Bank Robbery have lived full lives?
We are in our third week of investigating A.C. Greene’s book “The Santa Claus Bank Robbery.” If you missed the first two episodes, check todays show notes for links to get you caught up. Let’s dive back into this case, then see what we can learn from John 8:1-11:
Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.
“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
“No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”
This story has always fascinated me. We will use it to find another way we can each be a #personofimpact.
If you missed the last two episodes, it’s not too late to catch up!
Season 3, Episode 49: The Art of Storytelling: Bringing Facts to Life
Season 3, Episode 50: All I Want for Christmas is You...Not to be In Jail
Please visit my website to access more episodes, read my blog posts, or check out ways you can financially support the podcast so that together we can impact more people, more families, and more communities. If you would like to contact me about booking me as a speaker, or ask about my consulting and investigative services, please email me at lori@theunlovelytruth.com.
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Season 3, Episode 50: All I Want for Christmas is You...Not to be In Jail

What are you supposed to do when your plans go horribly wrong? You can give up and make the best of how things have turned out, or you can dig in and keep trying. That’s what our four would-be bank robbers from last week decided to do, but no matter what they did, things just kept getting worse. Crime certainly didn’t pay for them. If they hadn’t had so much bad luck, they wouldn’t have had any luck at all.
We’re continuing our story of The Santa Claus Bank Robbery. If you missed last week’s episode, check out the link below you so you won’t miss out on anything. When we left off, our four armed robbers Marshall Ratliff, Louis Davis, Henry Helms, and Robert Hill had just entered the Cisco Texas First National Bank to rob it.
Our Bible passage this week is 1 Timothy 6:9-11
“People who want to get rich are tempted. They fall into a trap. They are tripped up by wanting many foolish and harmful things. Those who live like that are dragged down by what they do. They are destroyed and die. Love for money causes all kinds of evil. Some people want to get rich. They have wandered away from the faith. They have wounded themselves with many sorrows. But you are a man of God. Run away from all these things. Try hard to do what is right and godly. Have faith, love, and gentleness. Hold on to what you believe.”
Wow! It almost sounds like Paul wrote this passage after reading this book! I think sometimes we think that as modern people we are so much more advanced than anyone who has come before us. But we struggle with the same things that the churches that Paul was writing to struggled with. The Bible is so relevant to our lives today!
I’m guessing none of us have robbed a bank or killed someone with a shotgun blast. But Jesus always taught that what was in our heart was as important as our outward actions. I know that I’ve spent too much time working rather than being there for someone when they needed me. Paul said the love of money causes all kinds of evil. The LOVE of money. Not money itself. God knows that we need money to get shelter and food and medical care and all of the necessities of life. We also need it so we can give to people who are struggling with those basic necessities. We need it to support the work of the church and other ministries.
Money is a tool. We can use it to do good things, or we can hoard it. When we do that Paul says that we wound ourselves with many sorrows, we’re tripped up by wanting many foolish and harmful things.
So for our practical action step I want us all to take some money that maybe we were going to use to splurge on ourselves and give it to a child who is struggling to have those basic necessities. That’ll probably look different for all of us. Maybe for some that will be sponsoring a child through a group like Compassion International. Or maybe you know a family from your neighborhood or church that needs help. It might even look like partnering with Prison Fellowship and their Angel Tree Program so that a prisoner can give their child a gift this Christmas. If you ask God where and how to give, He will open up opportunities for you, I promise. If you have more than enough, like I’m guessing most of us do, find some way to serve someone with your abundance so that the love of money doesn’t stand a chance of taking root in you.
Listen to last week’s episode here
Buy “The Santa Claus Robbery” here
Link to archive of contemporary news article
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Please visit my website to access more episodes, read my blog posts, or check out ways you can financially support the podcast so that together we can impact more people, more families, and more communities. If you would like to contact me about booking me as a speaker, or ask about my consulting and investigative services, please email me at lori@theunlovelytruth.com.